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| joar | bkuhn: I think I have exhausted the book of much of the relevant information. | 17:58 |
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| bkuhn | joar: that's good. Do you feel you have an increased knowledge about how accounting systems work? Will it help you in your further evals of codebases? | 17:58 |
| bkuhn | How are those going, BTW? | 17:58 |
| bkuhn | I know we're not going to hit our original deadline of finishing by today, but hopefully it only needs a few more days? | 17:58 |
| joar | bkuhn: I have a mental model forming. I would like to sit down and write down the modules and relations of accounting, but I think that might be better to do if we're going to go the accounting API way. | 18:00 |
| joar | I think the remaining evaluations will work with the evaluation template, and my forming mental model of accounting. It's just very exhausting to find all the information for each new project. | 18:01 |
| joar | it's a problem of finding the information mostly, since I have a pretty good idea of what I'm looking for. | 18:02 |
| joar | .. the modules/parties of accounting would stretch from governments and audits to transactions and accounts and might include company structure. | 18:03 |
| joar | .. and might be of good to the process of designing an accounting API. | 18:04 |
| joar | I have requested assistance from the ERP5, OFBiz, OpenPetra, ERPNext, Bookyt projects. | 18:06 |
| joar | ERP5, Bookyt have responded. OFBiz has responded before we had the evaluation template, I have since sent an update to the list but received no response. | 18:07 |
| bkuhn | joar: Ok, sounds like you are proceeding well, and I agree with you about writing out your mental model. Feel free to prioritize that since you just read the book and it's fresh in your mind. | 18:16 |
| bkuhn | please do it in the wiki though, so all can see and comment. | 18:16 |
| bkuhn | And feel free to post thoughts to the mailing list. | 18:16 |
| bkuhn | I'm very busy with other Conservancy stuff (ironically, we're in the midst of our audit, a thing we want the accounting software to help with), so I'm slightly distracted, but if you hit a blocker that I can help with, please always feel free to ping me. | 18:16 |
| joar | bkuhn: yay, I just read about audits! :) | 18:17 |
| joar | bkuhn: good luck, and thanks | 18:17 |
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| joar | bkuhn: https://beansbooks.com/api/explore/action/Account <- great API! I think. | 22:28 |
| bkuhn | joar: problem is their license. | 22:29 |
| bkuhn | What's the license of their docs? | 22:29 |
| bkuhn | the code is useless to us under the license it's under. | 22:29 |
| joar | oh, that's right. | 22:29 |
| joar | I'll check | 22:29 |
| joar | bkuhn: seems copyright | 22:32 |
| bkuhn | Not sure what that means in this context... | 22:32 |
| joar | unspecified license. | 22:32 |
| joar | .. re: documentation | 22:33 |
| bkuhn | joar: STOP reading it. | 22:33 |
| bkuhn | I don't actually believe that one can infringe copyright by reading something and the implementing the same thing. | 22:33 |
| bkuhn | But Oracle and Google had a very long lawsuit over this. | 22:33 |
| bkuhn | Google won, but I don't look forward to the idea of having to prove the same thing again. :) | 22:34 |
| bkuhn | I'm instead going to write to the chief developer and ask him. | 22:34 |
| bkuhn | I tried to contact System76 before, but it's hard to find an email address. | 22:34 |
| joar | I would call to prior art. I will however stop reading it and reject beansbooks in the meantime. | 22:35 |
| joar | If it becomes a concern later, we could always opt to not document any API that we would build ;) | 22:36 |
| bkuhn | haha | 22:37 |
| bkuhn | Well, mainly I mean, BeanBooks might claim copyright infringement if our API "worked like" theirs. That was Oracle's erroneous claim in the Oracle v. Google lawsuit. | 22:37 |
| bkuhn | But it took a very expensive lawsuit to sort that out. | 22:38 |
| bkuhn | Instead, I just sent an email to the core developer of BeanBooks to see if maybe we can get the licensing issue resolved. | 22:38 |
| joar | Yes, weird and expensive. | 22:38 |
| bkuhn | expensive? | 22:38 |
| joar | I think the issue in that case was that both the implementations were compatible | 22:38 |
| bkuhn | oh, you mean the court case. | 22:39 |
| bkuhn | yes. | 22:39 |
| bkuhn | Indeed it was. | 22:39 |
| bkuhn | ANyway. | 22:39 |
| bkuhn | I wrote to FunnyLookinHat about it. | 22:39 |
| bkuhn | We'll see what he said. | 22:39 |
| joar | Ok, I'll push it down to rejected in the meantime. | 22:40 |
| joar | bkuhn: have you received any updates on when GNOME and FSF can assist us with SQLLedger and GNUcash? | 22:55 |
| bkuhn | They aren't answering my emails. | 22:55 |
| bkuhn | So we should assume they aren't. | 22:55 |
| bkuhn | GNUCash should be easy to evaluate. | 22:56 |
| joar | I see | 22:56 |
| joar | yes | 22:56 |
| bkuhn | (it's packaged, easy to install, etc.) | 22:56 |
| bkuhn | Try that one first. | 22:56 |
| joar | it probably has a good community too. | 22:56 |
| joar | bkuhn: I'll sign off for today. OpenPetra people will probably help on monday. OFBiz remains unresponsive, I've contacted Kuali asking where the community is, filled in most of tryton's evaltempl. | 22:59 |
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