| bkuhn | mlinksva: so you think this RDF idea has some merit? | 01:48 |
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| mlinksva | the claims made on the list about RDF are true. but in my limited experience, realizing the benefits, and taking advantage of the mature but obscure ecosystem, makes a project harder. maybe it is worth evaluating one of these two projects, and asking dave raggett for feedback (he's the one that did the xrbl investigation, and an rdf expert). | 01:50 |
| mlinksva | oh, the two projects being https://github.com/zacharyvoase/uptheasset and https://code.google.com/p/3account/ | 01:50 |
| bkuhn | Oh, I met Dave Raggett a long time ago | 01:51 |
| bkuhn | ... but it was probably a decade ago and we talked for 5 minutes, so I'm sure he won't remember me. | 01:53 |
| bkuhn | mlinksva: do you suggest I just email cold and ask? Should I cc you? (Do you know him well?) | 01:53 |
| mlinksva | bkuhn: no i don't know him, have just seen his name many times. i think it'd be fine to email cold. | 01:55 |
| * bkuhn notes the only email he's been on with Raggett was a spam we both were sent in 2011 :) | 01:56 | |
| bkuhn | Apparently, some woman saw both his and my (and about 40 other people's) profile on Google+ and wants to know more about us. | 01:56 |
| * bkuhn doesn't have a profile on Google+ | 01:57 | |
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| timotheus | joar: good morning! | 09:32 |
| timotheus | I have updated the page http://npoacct.sfconservancy.org/ExistingProjects/OpenPetra/ and added the positive point that we are using fixed point arithmetic for financial data | 09:33 |
| pokoli | joar: have done the same for the Tryton page :) | 10:33 |
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| bkuhn | greetings joar ! | 14:04 |
| joar | greetings bkuhn! | 14:09 |
| bkuhn | So, I finished most of the evaluation of Frontaccounting last night. | 14:12 |
| joar | bkuhn: booting the machine | 14:12 |
| bkuhn | well, I don't think I need the install anymore | 14:12 |
| joar | It's booted in any case, the overhead is negligible :) | 14:13 |
| bkuhn | ok. | 14:16 |
| joar | I'm not sure how to do currency conversions in ledger, re: my own accounting | 14:19 |
| joar | I think I got it right | 14:20 |
| bkuhn | joar: well, the question is whether you want to fixate costs or not. :) | 14:26 |
| joar | I made it the simplest way | 14:26 |
| bkuhn | I think fixating costs is easiest, esp if you plan to do everything in SEK | 14:27 |
| joar | Income USD-X, Accrued USD+X; Accrued USD-X, Assets SEK+Y; | 14:28 |
| joar | I just received the new drive. | 14:28 |
| bkuhn | yeah, that seems fine. on the Accrued USD-X, I'd fixate the cost at the conversion rate | 14:28 |
| joar | yeah | 14:29 |
| bkuhn | The book should be there soon. | 14:29 |
| bkuhn | I think they sent it by boat (!) | 14:29 |
| joar | :D | 14:29 |
| joar | Cheap shipping | 14:30 |
| bkuhn | joar: so what specifically can I be most helpful with today? I have some posts I want to make to our mailing list, but I also have work on other projects to do today, so I want to see how I can most efficiently use time to keep you moving. | 14:39 |
| joar | I will try to set up openpetra once again | 14:43 |
| bkuhn | ok. | 14:49 |
| joar | Give me a minute to gather my thoughts | 14:49 |
| bkuhn | No problem, I actually have to go idle for maybe 15 minutes. | 14:49 |
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| joar | regarding the evaluation template, currently I think you are the most qualified person of us two to use this on any given project. I'm not sure if I should take over your work on that or if you would like to continue with that. | 14:52 |
| joar | http://npoacct.sfconservancy.org/ExistingProjects/ERPNext/ can be evaluated against the template at any time since they have a public demo | 15:01 |
| joar | ERP5 provides a VM for testing, could theoretically be evaluated at any time | 15:01 |
| joar | Little is written about GNUEnterprise. | 15:02 |
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| joar | bkuhnIdle: do you have any experience with GNUEnterprise? | 15:02 |
| * bkuhn is back. | 15:02 | |
| bkuhn | It's been a long time... | 15:02 |
| joar | I see | 15:03 |
| bkuhn | ... but back when I was at FSF, the folks who were working on GNU Enterprise weren't doing very much. | 15:03 |
| joar | We could ask the GNU Enterprise mailing list. | 15:03 |
| bkuhn | We could. Frankly, if we can't find their code repository, we don't have to spend too much time on it. | 15:03 |
| bkuhn | Do they have one? | 15:03 |
| joar | ok, the mailing lists are practially dead. | 15:03 |
| joar | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnue-dev/ | 15:05 |
| joar | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnue/ | 15:05 |
| joar | http://www.ohloh.net/p/152 shows decreased activity | 15:10 |
| joar | The animation of GNUe seems to be historically down. | 15:12 |
| joar | it's not entirely dead and abandoned though. | 15:12 |
| joar | so I don't know what to do with it | 15:12 |
| joar | I'll see if it's in the package manager for the debian derivative from canonical that must not be named | 15:13 |
| joar | it is not | 15:14 |
| joar | bkuhn: however, should I continue using your evaluation template with the remaining projects? | 15:16 |
| bkuhn | joar: I think so.... | 15:20 |
| bkuhn | ... do you grok all the use cases as I've written them? | 15:20 |
| joar | I think I won't know that before I start using it, I have no immediate questions. | 15:22 |
| bkuhn | joar: ok, I'd say go for it... why not start with ones that are likely to be eliminated? | 15:23 |
| bkuhn | Meanwhile, I do need to write up a Community Health "UseCase" | 15:23 |
| bkuhn | I haven't done that yet. | 15:23 |
| joar | ok! | 15:23 |
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| bkuhn | joar: So, what do you need me to do today to help us reach our goal of being done the evaluations within on week? | 19:35 |
| joar | bkuhn: If you could take a project other than ERPNext it would help me, and probably tomorrow I'd need you just looking over my ERPNext evaluation | 20:05 |
| bkuhn | joar: ok, I can review your ERPNext evaluation. | 20:06 |
| bkuhn | I'll try to review two other projects today, probably easy ones. :) | 20:06 |
| joar | yeah :) | 20:06 |
| bkuhn | FWIW, Frontaccounting is now officially eliminated: http://npoacct.sfconservancy.org/ExistingProjects/#rejected and http://npoacct.sfconservancy.org/ExistingProjects/Frontaccounting/#final-eval | 20:11 |
| bkuhn | (But I won't count that for one of my two :) | 20:11 |
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| joar | bkuhn: could cost centers be synonymous with funds? | 21:16 |
| bkuhn | joar: they could used that way. It's a different concept. It might be possible to "beat" cost center code into handling temporarily restricted assets. | 21:17 |
| bkuhn | joar: the main thing to test is whether or not you can run the "standard reports" against them. | 21:19 |
| bkuhn | Can you, for example, get a Trial Balance report that ONLY includes a specific cost center | 21:19 |
| bkuhn | ? | 21:19 |
| bkuhn | joar: which one are you evaluating? Can I see it running? | 21:25 |
| joar | ERPNext | 21:26 |
| joar | yes | 21:26 |
| joar | https://demo.erpnext.com/ | 21:26 |
| bkuhn | ok, I will look in a few | 21:28 |
| joar | I'm having some trouble with the complexity of it | 21:32 |
| joar | I don't understand most of these terms | 21:36 |
| joar | It's not at all like ledger-cli :) | 21:36 |
| bkuhn | haha | 21:41 |
| bkuhn | well, Ledger CLI often has its own terms for things. | 21:41 |
| bkuhn | which is not a good thing on Ledger CLI's part. | 21:41 |
| joar | ok, journal voucher seems like a ledger-cli transaction on relationoids(steroids/relations to documents). | 21:42 |
| joar | ledger-cli is easier to understand for programmers, I guess. | 21:42 |
| joar | https://github.com/webnotes/erpnext#copyright-for-contributors | 21:45 |
| bkuhn | Woah! | 21:47 |
| bkuhn | We can eliminate it as a base, just based on that. | 21:47 |
| bkuhn | Completely unacceptable | 21:47 |
| bkuhn | joar: does erp-next have an IRC channel? | 21:50 |
| joar | https://www.erpnext.com/open-source, C-f help | 21:52 |
| joar | only mailing lists | 21:52 |
| bkuhn | (hehe, it's C-s for me. I use Conkeror. :) | 21:53 |
| joar | :) | 21:53 |
| joar | it's grep -C 5 for me, I use curl ;o) | 21:54 |
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| joar | as an accounting newbie, I find http://testdrive.kfs.kuali.org/kfs-ptd/portal.do?selectedTab=main very confusing as well | 22:33 |
| bkuhn | As a NON-newbie, I find it very confusing. | 22:37 |
| joar | I thought so | 22:37 |
| joar | training costs must be up the roof | 22:37 |
| joar | bkuhn: I'll move ERPNext to rejected with the copyright assignment as reference | 22:48 |
| joar | bkuhn: I will suspend my work for this week. Thank you very much for your efforts. It's been hard work. | 22:55 |
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